>> please. >> could be wrong. >> jeffrey, thank you so much. a lot of news coming out of transition committee, coming out of events around this country we need to tell you about. let's get to it. i want the next generation of innovation and production to happen here in my homeland, america. >> an off-the-record meeting with media executives. >> very candid and honest. >> my agenda will be based on a simple core principle, putting america first. >> how many seats do we have to lose before we make a change? >> there's no harder worker than nancy pelosi. >> we can all breathe a little easier knowing the suspect is in custody. >> doesn't matter who it was. he was targeting blue. >> ben was a great guy. people loved him. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." in a new online video,
president-elect donald trump outlines a series of executive actions that he plans to take on his first day in office. this as there's more speculation about who's going to fill the remaining cabinet positions in his administration. >> so how are americans feeling about mr. trump two weeks after the election? we have a brand new cnn national poll, and it g.ives us an interesting snapshot. not surprising, the nation is still divided. a narrow majority of americans, 53%, believe donald trump will do a good job as commander in chief. 44% disagree. >> americans are also split on whether trump's handling of the presidential transition so far has been good. 46% approve, 45% disapprove. about a third of americans have a lot of confidence in trump's picks for his top appointments, which are lacking diversity so far. >> only 33% of americans have a lot of confidence in the president-elect's ability to provide leadership. that is historically low compared with other modern-day presidents before they took office. so we have it all covered for you.
let's begin with cnn's jason carroll live outside of trump tower in new york. good morning, jason. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. it's been two weeks and still no press conference from donald trump. but he did release that video, outlining what he'll do in the first 100 days of office and what executive actions he'll take. all this while speculation continues to swirl about who will be making up his cabinet, and just within the past ten minutes, he tweeted, great meetings will take place at trump tower concerning the formation of people who will run the country for the next eight years. president-elect donald trump outlining what he intends to accomplish during his first 100 days in office, including a pledge to create jobs. >> on trade, i'm going to issue our notification of intent to withdraw from the transpacific partnership. i will cancel job killing restrictions on the production of american energy, including shale energy and clean coal, creating many millions of high-paying jobs. >> reporter: and end corruption in washington. >> as part of our plan to drain
the swamp, we will oppose a five-year ban on executive officials becoming lobbyists after they leave the administration. and a lifetime ban on executive officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. >> reporter: but in the 2 1/2-minute video, trump steering clear of some of his most controversial and biggest campaign promises, like building a wall on the mexico border, repealing obamacare, placing a ban on muslims entering the united states, and no mention of deportations. >> on immigration, i will direct the department of labor to investigate all abuses of visa programs that undercut the american worker. >> reporter: this as trump continues to parade cabinet and senior staff hopefuls past cameras again. gabbert slipping past cameras to meet with trump. she's the second democrat trump has spoken with. she's now under consideration for top jobs at the state
department and the united nations, according to a source. trump also taking time to meet with executives and anchors from five television networks, including cnn, to address concerns about access. >> it was an off-the-record meeting. it was very cordial, very productive, genial, but it was also very candid and honest. >> reporter: meanwhile, trump's team on the defensive. civil rights groups urging the president-elect to denounce the alt-right after white nationals were captured on video cheering the president-elect in washington. >> hail trump! hail our people! hail victory! >> reporter: and capitalizing on trump's make america great again slogan. >> for us as europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again. >> reporter: racism and anti-semitism on full display, audience members giving a nazi salute. without denouncing the alt-right by name, trump's transition team said in a statement, president-elect trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind, and he was elected
because he will be a leader for every american. and that statement still not satisfying trump's critics, who are very concerned about the appointment of steve bannon as his chief strategist. as you know, bannon, the founder of breitbart. bannon made it very clear that breitbart was a platform for the alt-right. on a separate note, want to talk about trump's relationship with the press. he's had a tense relationship with the press, as you know. that's part of the reason why he had that meeting yesterday with members of the media. well, he's been tweeting again this morning about the media, specifically this time "the new york times." three tweets that we counted so far just within the past 15 minutes. first saying he apparently had some sort of interview set up with "the times." that went south. he tweeted, i canceled today's meeting with failing "new york times" when conditions of
meeting were changed. quote, not nice. then he tweeted again that perhaps a new meeting would be scheduled, but that they cover him in a, quote, nasty tone, then following it up with a third tweet saying, "the new york times" just announced that complaints against them are at a 15-year high. i know a number of people might be looking at that saying, why is the president-elect continuing to go after the media this way? i have to say, throughout the campaign we watched him go after the media, and his supporters love it. chris? >> he is who he is, jason carroll. just like the rest of us. in that third tweet, he says "the times" just reported they're at a 15-year high of receivie ining complaints. then he says, but why announce it? you never announce bad information. let's discuss what's going on with the transition with cnn political commentator and former new york city council speaker christine quinn, and talk radio host and donald trump supporter john phillips. now, sometimes i laugh when
trump does certain things because i enjoy how he plays the game of politics and because it is a dirty game. one of the things that does not make me laugh, john, and makes me scratch my head is this. if something bothers donald trump, you know it immediately and in detail. and yet, these hand-raising haters, these neo-nazis -- call them alt-right, call them whatever you want, you know who they are. you know what they're about. you know it's bad. he does not denounce them the way he does anything and anyone else that he doesn't like. why? tell me why. >> well, one of the unfortunate aspects of having a two-party system in this country is you're going to have huge tents on each side. unfortunately, those huge tents involve a lot of nuts. the left has a lot of people with a lot of boutique ideas. in europe, all these people would have their own parties. he did say, look, i want no part of these people. he did denounce them. in fact, if you go back to 2000 when he was thinking about running for presidency under the
reform party banner, he said, i don't want any part of them because i think david duke was part of that party at the time and said, i can't put my name on this. so he has denounced them. he has done it repeatedly. unfortunately, you can't choose all of your supporters. these jerks are proving that case. >> john, hold on a second. this isn't a point of debate. this is just fact. john, you know that he doesn't call out david duke by name. you know he's never mentioned any of these movements by name. and the man does not lack for detail when he wants to criticize you. believe me, i understand that intensely, personally. do you feel a little odd defending what is certainly wrong in this situation, john? it is wrong. not political tents. these are people raising their hands in a nazi gesture, okay. this isn't just a little bit off the beaten path. yet, it's being ignored to a certain degree by a lack of specificity. it doesn't bother you.
why? >> well, he has denounced them. >> not by name. not by name. he shows them a respect he shows no one else. >> we know the political game that his opponents try to use against him, which is they want trump's name in the same headline as thee kooks. >> they're saying hail donald trump, john. it's not about me. i wish i would never have to talk about these people. they're saying his name. you don't think he would come out and denounce them the way he does anybody? he'll denounce "the new york times" by name. >> or the cast of "hamilton." >> he'll come after them. >> i'll do it right now. they're kooks. they're racists. >> but you didn't get voted in as president. let's talk about the agenda. >> can i say one thing? they're not kooks. they're a dangerous -- >> yes, they are. >> no, they're worse than kooks. that's like an aunt you're going to see at thanksgiving who wears a rain hat inside. these people aren't kooks. they're a dangerous, racist,
anti-semitic group of people attacking the core values of america. and you have to go back 16 years to find any reference to donald trump mentioning david duke. he didn't say that he denounced this group for what they did. he said he denounced racism. completely different. this is serious on any day of the week. it's more serious because he's the president-elect, and even more serious because we have seen hate crimes and hate incidents increase across the country since his election. he has an obligation to all americans to stand up and denounce this group, denounce david duke in this decade, and to try to put an end to the hate escalation and the fear that's out there. >> all right. so john, put a button on this so we can move on to his agenda points. >> their politics are not his
politics. he said it as far back as 2000. by repeating it over and over and over again, he's just putting his name in the same headlines as these horrible people, and that benefits his political opponents. >> it's in the headline right now. look at the screen on cnn. should donald trump denounce alt-right? this isn't about trying to avoid a headline. god knows donald trump loves any headline. this is about him not being willing to stand up for americans, to stand up for people of color, people of a jewish faith, lgbt. >> do you believe in your heart of hearts he's a white supremacist? >> i don't know what anymore is in donald trump's heart of hearts. >> do you believe he's a white supremacist? >> what i know is that donald trump had an opportunity this weekend -- >> do you believe he's a white supremacist? >> what i know is he's put racists in the white house, and he had an opportunity to denounce -- >> can you answer the question? >> look, john -- >> why doesn't he denounce them? >> let's move on to something
else. john, i'll tell you something. you think you're being clever. if these groups targeted you the way they target her and me, you'd feel differently. it's okay to be a white guy when you have all these other white guys raising their hand and pretending to be nazis. you want her to answer the question because they can you can use -- hold on a second. i want to move on to something else. i'll tell you what, it isn't the point. because here's why. you want to get a cheap political score by having somebody call him a bigot or a racist because that's going to go crazy in the news cycle. it's about being a leader. you denounce things not just because you're looking for a label. it doesn't matter whether or not he's a bigot. it's that he denounces it. that's what he is as the leader of all people. he says that's not what we're about. it's not about getting a simple escapism of saying, well, if he's not a racist, then it's all okay. it's not okay. you denounce things are wrong. that's what leaders do. now, you looked at his new list of agenda things he's going to do. is there anything in there you don't like? i got to tell you, looks like a pretty attractive list. a lot of things in there i've seen come from obama and
clinton's mouth before. >> well, certainly i want to put very clearly that in the video, we don't have a lot of details, he's going to create all these jobs. >> not uncommon from politicians or presidents. >> and a number of what i believe he's saying about energy are things that would be dreadful to the environment. i think very clearly in what he said is a move forward on fracking, which is incredibly dangerous. we've worked very hard -- >> i'll get beat up by the left by this, but the science is not dispositive by fracking. you have places that have done it safely. there are a lot of jobs in the balance of it. tens of thousands of jobs. >> the science is not there. what is clear is the science has not said it is never possible, but it is not there now. all we need to do is go look in pennsylvania where the water still runs brown and smells clearly of chemicals. it has -- i don't know of any place -- >> the industry says it's like everything else. you have to do it right. if you do it too much, you do it wrongly, you'll have problems.
>> well, one, industry is always going to say that. whether they can do it is the question. they have not shown us in ohio, in pennsylvania, anywhere, that it can be done. but let's talk about what donald trump didn't reference are his appointments of people like mr. bannon, his appointments of people like representative sessions. >> he's going to cut regulations. he's going to look at infrastructure. he's going to get out of that tpp and start his own negotiations of trade deals. >> but cut regulations? those are two words that could be great or could be dreadful. what regulations? what's he going to replace it with? >> driving the stock market wild. they love the speculation. you have literally for the first time every cap -- small cap, mid cap, large cap. those are the largest hirers in our economy right now and in our poll. 40% of people trust trump on the economy. it's the highest number any recent president has had. 43% believe he's going to change the country for the better. >> look, i applaud americans. i really do, for being hospital
i -- optimistic. we have, in the campaign and so far in the transition, seen no details about how he's going to create jobs. when you cut regulations, you have to really understand what the potential collateral can be. >> you don't know he's going to cut regulations you don't like. he's trying to do something the business world likes. >> that's curious because during the campaign, donald trump attacked secretary clinton for any reference she might have had or any thought she had of doing something that might benefit business. but here he is going right back -- >> big banks was his thing. john, final word from you on this. what's not on the agenda list, where's my wall and where's my repeal and replace of obamacare? those are probably two of the biggest reasons that people voted him from a policy perspective. >> and the muslim registry. >> they're not here. >> yeah, well, he owes his victory to the rust belt, and trade was the reason why a lot of those two-time obama voters decided to cross the aisle and vote for donald trump.
if you could move the macy's thanksgiving day parade to youngstown, ohio, he would. that was a message that was very tailored to that part of the country. i expect to see a lot more of that the next four years. >> that could cause a lot of congestion. youngstown, it might just be too much with the balloons. just saying, john. let's agree on that. snoopy won't fit. he's too big. give me that. >> it's always good to end on agreement. certainly plenty of disagreement to go around. john phillips, thank you for making the case. christine, as always. chris, a tragic story to tell you about. the driver of a school bus that crashed and killed at least five elementary school children monday is now charged with vehicular homicide. the grief-stricken community is struggling to cope with this tragedy. cnn's martin savidge is live in chattanooga, where school officials have just held a briefing. what have you learned, martin? >> reporter: hello, alisyn. horrific news, but the authorities are saying the official death toll is five.
five students killed in that bus crash. that would be down from what were initial reports of six. there are six children that are said to be in intensive care and six other children that remain hospitalized. otherwise, all the other children on board that bus have now been released from the hospital and reunited with their families. as you've heard probably, the district attorney has now filed charges against the 24-year-old bus driver. that is now a thorough criminal investigation apparently that is under way. authorities have also put in the warrants and the various court documents to get the informational boxes, i think is the term they've used, that would be any kind of video that was on board the school bus and any other kind of telemtery. the school bus driver, whose record is being investigated right now, is said to be cooperating with authorities. there was no other vehicle involved except the bus here.
weather conditions clear and dry. speed is being looked at as a possible culprit. chris? >> martin, this is just horrible any way you look at it. hopefully the facts start the process of closure. we'll check back with you in a little bit. appreciate the reporting this morning. so the trump transition team has gone with some well-known names and a controversial one in steve bannon. this is a man who has said that his media outlet was a conduit for the alt-right, which is a nice way of saying a lot of groups with really ugly agendas. how will he influence the trump administration? we have a panel debate next. you gotta be ready. ♪ oh, i'm ready i mean, really ready. are you ready to open? ready to compete? ready to welcome? the floors, mats-spotless. the uniforms, clean and crisp. do your people have the right safety gear? are they protected? i'm ready! you think your customers can't tell the difference between who's ready and who's not? of course they do.
museum this weekend. the trump transition team putting out a statement saying, quote, president-elect trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind, and he was elected because he will be a leader for every american. should he denounce these groups by name and go further than he has? let's bring in cnn political commentator and senior contributor for "the daily caller," matt lewis, kurt bardella, who worked for breitbart news before cutting ties earlier this year. you're all conservatives. you have an interesting perspective, i think, on what's going on with the alt-right. first, let's talk about donald trump's response there, tara. has donald trump denounced racism? >> i would say it's been very tepid. the problem is that, you know, when he was confronted with this early on in his campaign, he didn't really take the opportunity to nip it in the bud unequivocally. >> the david duke stuff, in
other words. >> absolutely. he played coy with it. he should have taken a page out of ronald reagan's book where ronald reagan was confronted with this not one but twice, both in 1980 and 1984, where the klan came out and supported him. he said absolutely not. he said he would not, quote, tolerate what the klan stands for. he named them. then in 1984, he wrote a letter to -- you know, about this happening again. he called what they believed repugnant and said there's no place for this in america. so ronald reagan had no problem coming out full throated and said, no, this is unacceptable, and i will not allow any of this in my name. what concerns me is that donald trump's initial reaction to this when he found this out wasn't one of repulsion. he wasn't upset about this. he wasn't -- at least he didn't come across that way. maybe he was in private. but that's not how he publicly approached it. he kind of hedged, well, i don't know who they are, i don't know what's going on. when he's pushed, pushed, pushed, then he comes out with a
strong statement. he spent so much time obsessing over "hamilton" and "saturday night live." he uses his twitter thumbs to tweet about all kind of other rather insignificant petulant things. but something as important as this, he doesn't find time for. i think that's problematic and that's why people look at him and go, okay, so they send out this generic statement about he's against racism. it's beyond that. >> the rubber has to meet the road. >> absolutely. >> matt, why isn't he following ronald reagan's lead and denouncing it for real? >> i think in 1984 reagan, at his -- when he received the nomination again for re-election in 1984, he said many people are welcome in our home, but not the bigots. ronald reagan, i think, keenly understood that for conservatism to be a winning philosophy and a kind of philosophy that was appealing to a broad swath of americans, you had to stamp out the fringe elements. >> so why isn't donald trump doing that? >> well, i think trump has done some of it, but i agree he
didn't do it early enough. i think he needs to do it more forcefully. >> when has he denounced racism? >> i think he did it on "60 minutes." >> he said about the protests, stop it. about the protests. they were white, all sorts of socioeconomic -- >> i disavow. >> that's good enough? >> no h i don't think it's good enough. >> right, because that wasn't his initial reaction. someone who's horrified by that, and should be, right away they should be unequivocally against that. and he wasn't. that's what makes it concerning, on top of his own questionable racial baggage in the past. >> i want top bring in kurt right now. you worked at breitbart. so you know steve bannon. steve bannon is now in the white house. he will be in january. he's going to be the top strategist. he has donald trump's ear. what is steve bannon telling donald trump about the alt-right movement and those types of conferences we just heard? >> well, i think there is probably the largest conflict in all of this. even if donald trump had said something, and he hasn't yet,
but if he addressed this head on, the reality is the sincerity of it would be questioned because you have the guy who runs the platform for the alt-right in his own words as his chief adviser working out of the west wing. so no matter what donald trump says about this or any specific incident, the reality is his own guy is one of the real leaders of this whole alt-right movement, and he designed a platform as a feeding ground for all of these people. how can anyone take anything donald trump says about race and about this platform with any credibility when his chief adviser is the guy who's running the whole thing. >> let me play for you all one more snippet from this conference just so we really know what they're talking about. they're not just saying hail trump. they are getting into the nitty-gritty of what they want this country to look like. so listen to this moment. >> america was, until this past generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our
posterity. it is our creation. it is our inheritance. and it belongs to us. >> we'll dispense with that revisionist history for a moment and just get to the revulsion of it. kurt, is that what steve bannon believes? >> clearly. i think so. he has said breitbart is the alt-right platform. these are the people they have played to, that they have tried to motivate to be the base of donald trump's election. it's just going to be more of this. i think it's incumbent upon everyone now to be as vigilant as possible in calling this out when it happens, standing up. you know, you used to look to presidents for leadership, to be part of the moral compass of this country. that's not going to happen. this president is going to be missing in action. we have to be the first to stand up and point to it. look at the breitbart headline when president obama -- three days ago, breitbart had a headline that said obama refuses to condemn violence against trump supporters. where's their story about this right now? >> hold on.
>> i'm concerned about the direction. first of all, i want to put things in a little bit of context. there were about 200 of these horrific people who were gathered -- >> so you're saying they're fringe. i hear you. except that one of them is in the white house. if kurt is right, who knows steve bannon. >> i think we need to be careful about that. >> why? >> first of all, i'll concede, kurt knows steve bannon better than i do. i interviewed him in like 2011, i've met him a couple times. not that it matters to bannon or trump, but i would basically put him on probation. steve bannon -- >> why are you ghiving him a chance? >> he says he's not a white nationalist, he's an economic nationalist. >> listen, listen. steve bannon in his own words called these people dangerous intellectuals and went on to talk about them almost with an affinity in a way, instead of condemning this despicable philosophy here, this ideology.
they're white supremacists and white nationalists. steve bannon has come out and been very open about his nationalism. we all understand what that means. we've got to stop candy coating this. >> i think there's a distinction. >> white nationalism means we prefer to have lots of white people here. >> nationalism means this country belongs to the whites. >> no, no. white nationalism is that. but nationalism is -- look, i'm not a nationalist, but nationalism is, i would say, within the bounds of mainstream political thought. it basically means you put up -- nationalism would be protecting african-american workers from immigrants taking their jobs. nationalism means putting america first. not my cup of tea. >> in this environment and the way that donald trump ran his campaign, this is a very dangerous nuance that we should not be having. conservatives went after barack
obama for his associations with bill ayers, reverend wright. >> guys, i'm out of time. we have to leave it there. the fact we have to parse this, the fact we're struggling to define it for steve bannon and the alt-right, that tells you they need to do a better job of what they stand for. we'd love to hear your thoughts on all of this. let's get over to chris. >> you'll have more opportunity to talk about it because these hater groups keep popping up and saying that trump is somehow giving them new license to give out their message. we'll have more opportunity to denounce them. hopefully he gets it right the next time. so the democrats, talk about getting it right, they got a long way to go. they just lost a presidency that everyone thought they would win. why? what can they do to make their party resonate with the main swath of this country that just determined the election? former clinton campaign spokesperson karen finney next.
the party says it needs to change direction, and that's obviously an objectively true given what groups it lost with on election day. let's discuss with former senior clinton campaign spokesman and democratic political strategist karen finney. good to see your face on my monitor. >> good to see you, too, chris. >> you got a little wound licking to do, but there are serious questions as well. bernie sanders, though a veteran of the senate, though his ideas were not new, they seemed new because critics of the democratic party within the democratic party say you move too far to the center and you became about fringe culture issues more than bedrock economic, middle class interests. do you accept the criticism? >> i don't, and here's why. i think when we talk about bedrock economic issues, i think to some that's part of it. but i think part of what we were also talking about and need to continue to talk about -- i
mean, just think about that last segment you just had in a conversation about the rise of the alt-right. i think it is also critically important that we don't forget our core values in terms of our belief that, you know, to some degree it's about economic freedom. yes, we want people to have good jobs and make good wages, be able to send their kids to college, but we also don't want lgbt families to live in fear, and we want people to be able -- you know, there are core issues. we want comprehensive immigration reform, and we don't want young people living in fear that their parents are going to be deported. there's an economic component to immigration reform as well. obviously over the next few years with someone like a steve bannon and the alt-right rising, i think democrats need to get it together quickly because clearly we're also going to need to be defending some very serious civil rights issues, which again i would argue to some degree also are part of a growing middle class in this country that cares about economics but
also cares about quality of life and the kind of life they want to lead for themselves and their families. >> right, but i think it's about the balance. the criticism of your party is you're talking about which bathroom to use, you know, more than what jobs people have in the middle class. and that's why your party objectively -- i mean, there's zero opinion about this. it used to be republicans, white-collar, democrats, blue collar. now that's flipped. >> well, we're seeing -- look, i agree that we've seen a shift. i think as a party, we need to do a better job of understanding, you know, what was it that not just made those voters want to vote for hillary or democrats but what made them want to vote for donald trump. i'm very concerned about some of the hateful rhetoric we heard from donald trump and whether or not that was also a motivating factor, chris. i don't think we can ignore that, in addition to the economic conversation. and the second piece -- >> but the alt-right didn't get him elected. it's a small group, it may be
growing, but they're a hateful thing he's wrong to not dismiss specifically. but that's not why you lost. >> i'm not saying we lost just because of the alt-right. i'm saying there was something in his message that wasn't just about economics that was motivating for people that i would like us to understand. at the same time, i think the other big piece of this, though, is we -- our party needs to do two key things. we need to have that understanding. let's not forget, hillary clinton is going to end up winning this election in the popular vote by more than 2 million votes. let's not forget those people either. those are important voters as well, important americans as well. so i think our party needs to do two things. number one, i think on the organizational side, and i'm someone who believes particularly when you don't have the white house, you absolutely have to have a full-time chair. the job is to make sure that the apparatus and the infrastructure of the party from the grassroots, from the state party, from the local county chair level, up to the national
party, that you have an infrastructure that can elect people up and down the ticket and you are building your bench of talent. and that is a full-time job to then also raise the money and help to communicate the solutions and ideas of the party, working with the you, yo know, senator schumer. >> finney. >> yes. >> as soon as you talk about democratic governors, i have no interest in the conversation. >> sorry. >> you said full-time job. does that mean you won't support keith ellison because he's been wavering about whether he'll leave congress? >> the last thing he said is he thought it was a conversation worth having. so you know, again -- >> but what does that mean? that only means something to you guys. >> you got to ask him. >> that's not a yes. if i ask you, will you quit your job to do this job if it matters so much, and you say it's a conversation worth having, we're having the conversation, my friend. you either say yes or no. he's dancing on that. do you need somebody who's going to be full time? >> look, the election for chair is going to be next month.
i assume he'll take some time and really think about whether or not that's something he's able to do. i'm just telling you, because remember remember, i was there for four years with howard dean in the bush presidency. it was critical he was a full-time chair. i'm saying out of having been there and experienced, and particularly when you don't have the white house. so i think that's a critical piece. the second piece is we do need to then also, as i was saying in the beginning, yes, let's understand what's going on with our ability to communicate with working class voters in that rust belt area. but let's not forget that the future of this country is moving towards a browner america, is moving towards new technologies, and some of the things that trump is talking about bringing back. we still have an obligation as leaders to see the future and to try to bring everybody along. >> no question, but it's about balance. brown, white, yellow, the whole color that united this country is green. people want to make money. >> we can all sit around that
table. >> that's what this country is about, or at least that's what it was. karen finney, thank you very much. the best to you and your family for thanksgiving. >> you too, chris. >> alisyn? the man hunt is over this morning. san antonio police say they've got their guy linked to the deadly targeted shooting of a veteran detective. he was just one of four officers shot on sunday. so what officers are saying about what happened this weekend, that's ahead. your insurance company
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veteran detective benjamin marconi as he sat in his patrol car. he was one of four officers shot in ambush-style attacks across the country on sunday. let's discuss this with deputy chief of the dallas police department and national chair of the black police association. deputy chief, thank you very much for being here. do you think that what happened on sunday, that each one of these four were just sort of tragic, isolated incidents, or did you think that something larger was going on with these police officers being shot? >> good morning. first, let me send my condole e condolences and offer my prayers to the family of benjamin marconi out of san antonio and my brothers and sisters just down south in san antonio police department. they're in our thoughts and prayers, as well as a speedy recovery for the officers in missouri and florida. i think what we're seeing were isolated incidents, but i think
the narrative going forward has enabled some people who are irrational to have a belief that it's okay to ambush and kill -- cowardly kill or shoot at police officers. and that's unacceptable. so i think we have to put a stop to this narrative. i've said in the past, in order for us to build police/community relations, it must be a -- not an us versus them but us together and work towards a more positive, you know, enlightenment for policing communities. >> absolutely. >> so this is horrific. it looks isolated, but i think the narrative overall is that we've given some kind of credence to a certain group of individuals who are -- who feel disenfranchised or feel very negative towards law enforcement to take action in their own hands, and that's not going to be acceptable because the community will lose, citizens
will lose, good people will lose >> yes, and i want to get to that. there was an incredible perp walk, as we call it, where the suspect is arrested and then paraded basically in front of cameras. something incredible happened during this perp walk where the suspect explained why he did it. you know, after these horrible incidents, people always say, why, i want to know the motive, what was the motive, why did he do it. listen to this. >> i just wanted to see my son. >> what were you upset about, sir? >> society not letting me see my son, lashing out at somebody that did didn't deserve it. >> anything to say to his family? >> sorry. >> you couldn't probably hear it very well, but i'll read what he said. society is not allowing me to see my son, so i lashed out at somebody that didn't deserve it. i've been through several custody battles and was up set at the situation i was in. he was asked if he had anything to say to the officer's family.
he said, i'm sorry, as he was escorted away. i know, deputy chief, that is cold comfort that he is sorry now and not sorry beforehand, but does that reinforce your point that people who are angry for whatever reason now see police officers as their targets? >> of course, police officers being the most visible form of our government in action, and it's guys like him who have been looking at the world in a jaded point of view and looking for anyone he can in a uniform, in a blue uniform. there's 800,000 police officers. it's not monolithic, but people see us as one and see us as these protectors of some system that has gone astray. and guys like him, people like him who commit horrific and cowardly acts because it's so easy -- it was easy for him to do that. the hardest thing would have
been to engage and embrace and move forward and work within the confines of a system and not become some horrific type of person to carry out such a horrific injustice. he will have to be accountable, no he will be held accountable. >> if he thought it was hard to see his son before, it will be particularly hard in prison. deputy chief, thank you very much for your thoughts. we're sorry for your colleague. >> thank you so much. >> that's it, chris. who can forget these precious faces? up next, dr. sanjay gupta catches up with the mcdonnell family. the conjoined twins conjoined no mother. how are they doing? what is the next obstacle next. if you're searching other travel sites to find a better price...
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jayden for the first time, it was as if she saw him for the first time. >> as a mother you know when you hold your child, you know every bit of their face. well, his face also encompassed his brother's. it was my first moment of relearning his face. >> jayden and anias are one in 2 and a half million. they were born conjoined at the head sharing between 1 1/2 to 2 inches of brain tissue of after over a year of planning last month the boys were separated after a 27 hour long operation at children's hospital in the bronx. they have allowed cnn to follow their journey from surgery through rehab exclusively. >> oh, my goodness. oh, my goodness. hi, buddy. hi. >> the last time we were in this room they were on a -- >> they were in one bed. >> they were conjoined.
>> he's pretty happy with the outcome. >> i think so. >> are you sticking your tongue out at me? >> yeah, that's a new trick. >> for the mcdonald's this entire month has been full of first times. first time in separate beds. first time being held. first time seeing each other, but it hasn't been easy to get here. the boys have battled infections, fevers, and seizures. it's been particularly trying for anias. >> serious infections close to the brain. skin involvement. they had to take, you know, the bone out of anias. they had to take skin out. you know, for anias, there's never a break. >> despite all of that, the boys' doctors are so pleased with their progress. dr. james goodrich is the boys' neurosurgeon. >> you said he was right on or ahead of schedule even. is there a -- because it's so rare, is there a schedule?
>> well, when you deal with trauma particular cases, people with injuries, recovery times are in months, sometimes years so we're a month. if you consider this is one month out, this to me is incredibly fast. >> do you feel like you have permission or do you allow yourself rather now to think about the future with regard to jadon and anias? >> i think about their future all the time, all the time. i think about the first time they go to a park and i think about, you know, them getting married some day. i think about -- i think -- i've thought through their whole future 100 times. >> it's not that i'm not optimistic. i guess i -- i'm just more curious what the future holds for them, but i guess i don't want to get my hopes up. you know, i guess i just take it one day at a time. >> but each day continues to bring more blessings. the day i visited nicole and christian got to see jadon
without his headdressings. >> i've never seen you like this. >> for the first time. >> what's that like, mom? the first time without the dressings. >> it's amazing. this is the most amazing thing. i just can't even believe it. look at his little hair on top, it's growing in. hi, baby. >> so when i look at them and i see them laying in their beds whole and generally healthy and i think mentally with it and moving forward, i don't just see that miracle, that separation miracle, but it's been the miracles that took place every step of the way. >> how does it feel to be your own little boy? >> you have a head of hair. >> alisyn and chris, i can't get enough of those images. i still get goose bumps a little bit looking at them. i will tell you that what you are seeing here is very rare. as you might imagine. i'm a neurosurgeon. i've never seen anything like
this. one in 2.5 million pregnancies result in babies conjoined at the head. very few make it all the way to delivery and birth. even fewer have access to the resources you just saw. so a lot of things came together, but the doctors said, again, that this was one of the most challenging operations he's ever done. he's the world leader in this but also one of the most rapid recoveries he's ever seen. next step for jadon and anias to go to rehabilitation. they have never sat up, they have never crawled, they have never walked. they're going to learn all of that stuff again. this is like a second birthday for them. just incredible. really brings a smile to my face. back to you guys. >> oh, my gosh. it melts my hard to see his little hand touching the head without the dressing and feeling around up there. >> there are so many layers of connection that you wind up getting here, especially if you're a parent. when we heard this is the first time these kids have ever seen each other. >> isn't that incredible? i want to stop there for a
second. they've always been aware of each other, they were connected, they could hear each other but they've never seen each other. >> and another thing for me is sanjay is such a unique blessing in this business. he is a neurosurgeon. he gives you insight and access into stories you would never get. i could never cover that the way sanjay just did and we're all better for it. what an amazing story, especially so close to thanksgiving. >> i'm sure when sanjay comes in next you won't make fun of him for his suit or any other things you normally make fun of him about because you respect him. >> i've always respected him. i don't like him personally. >> i understand. we're following a lot of news. what do you say? let's get to it. >> i will cancel job-killing restrictions on the production of american energy. >> he proves that he understands america. >> truly great and talented men and women will soon be part of our government. >> senior advisor